One of the best books, that I read this year, on the Mountain Meadows Massacre, was the one by Steven E. Farley. One great book!
My husband is the 4th great grandson of John D. Lee through his union with Martha Berry Lee (whom later divorced Lee). I had only heard very little about the massacre at Mountain Meadows until I moved out here to Utah five years ago. My heart aches for those lives lost and those lives affected by this awful atrocity committed by Lee as well as other members and leaders of the LDS church. While Lee was by no means innocent in what transpired, it sickens me that he was the only one held responsible for these events, and thus paying the ulitmate price...death. Perhaps someday the "church" will let the truth be known instead of keeping yet more airtight secrets from the public.
I wrote my earlier comments after reading the comments of others, but hadn't yet gone back to look at the full site, thinking I knew already from the past. Now however, as I just looked over almost all the site, I was sorry to see some blameful books, in full access on here. That is too bad. I don't think it helps with the mission of the association, or with healing. Also, I don't know if you know that some of the links to places do not work? Thank you for your work here! Jane
My grandmother, Effie May Lee was a granddaughter of John D. Lee. I myself am a grandmother now, yet I will never forget her tears and the love she had for her him. I am pleased to know that this Mountain Meadows Association was created by BOTH relatives of the victims and relatives of the only man whose life was taken as punishment, my ancestor. I am so thankful for the continued work on this web site, and the Christ like spirit that prevails. God bless you! My feelings are greatly weighted down by this whole happening in our history. I am so thankful for those who have taken the time to REALLY learn about what happened from non biased sources (in full historical context) and not just from some authors who seem out to make quick money by exploiting tragedy into hatred. It is amazing to me that while relatives of the victims and the accused are working to make bridges, others who are not personally connected are so full of hatred and blame. It is Satan who wants to spread hate and dissention, while God wants us to forgive. Maybe it would help some to know it was John D. Lee, who pleaded with tears coming down his face for (at least!) the young children's lives to be spared and so the natives name for him was Yawguts = cry baby, ever after.
I am a member of the association and am proud of all those who subscribe to the mission of the association, that of bringing peace and reconciliation to this tragic event. The truth is that no one alive today had anything to do with what happened so many years ago. The only thing we can do is search our hearts and hopefully be an agent of peace. I am so greatful to all those who have contibuted so much to this effort. The results are wonderful. I become aware of the association only after hearing of the dedication of the Grave Monument. I and 2 of my brothers traveled to the meadows to participate in the dedication. It was truly a moving experience, you see as decendent of John Doyle Lee, I too have history here as he was executed at this spot by firing squad. I wish "worlds without end" that this tragedy had never occured. Whenever people act/react to each other in hostility, it is a tragedy. We need to become peacemakers. I am so glade that the decendents of the massacre have a beautiful place to come and pay respects to their dead ancestors. I am greatful to all those who spent countless days, and donated large sums of money to make this monument a reality. I am greatful to Ron Loving, Vern Lee, and Leroy Lee for the bold experiment in peacemaking in forming this association. I just hope and pray that the latest rift in the association can be healed, and that all sides can come together in peace and reconcilliation, if not for themselves, then for the sake of those who died here, and their own posterity. Thanks again to all who have seek peace. "Bessed are the peacemakers, for they shall shall be called the children of God" Matt 5:9
This website has good info for my research project.
What is this about? I clicked on Bagleys from Alabama and this is what I found.
The mormon church has gotten away with murder. Look at the way we have gone after bin laden, couldn't find him very well and shifted our anger to irag. mmm was fairly well ignored because of a fluke of fate; the begining of the civil war and the unwillingness of the political leaders of the time to confront the mormons about this atrocity at the same time they were preparing to fight over slavery. the lack of a pervasive media allowed for the tragedy to be swept under the rug of history by the lds church. Justice is still comning for the mormons; if in no other way than that they will be discredited as a legitimate religion and political power, as a greater awareness of this event pervades america.
it is a shame that nothing was done to compsate the familys . maybe a scholarship for neadie desendents
This is to Janet Smith. (I would have e-mailed, but I couldn't find an e-mail address.) John Calvin and Mary are acutually 2 of the 3 surviving MILLER children. Their parents were Joseph and Matilda Miller. Cheryl
Elizabeth Beller was my great-great grandmother her younger sister and brother were 14 year old Mallissa Ann Beller and 12 year old David Beller at the time of their Death in the Massacre.This may seen hard to beleive but my Dad was born when my Grandfather was 61. Elizabeth was my Grandfather's Mother.I have bussiness in Las Vegas in Janurary, I was wondering how far of a drive it is from there. Thanks Glen Grace firstname.lastname@example.org
I am the granddaughter of George J. Martin, Son of Mariah Elizabeth Baker (daughter of John Twitty Baker and Mary Ashby), and married to Issac Martin. My grandmother Dollie Mae Carroll married Grandpa Martin in California. Grandpa Martin was the only grandpa on my mother's side I ever knew. He was my mother's father since she was 10 years old. While doing family history tonight (Nov 17th, 2003),I came across your website. I personally wish to express my thanks to all tose who have diligently worked on the Baker Family History. God bless you for your good work. After reading the Guestbook, I was very disheartened and saddened to learn of how so many of Grandpa Martin's mother's family were murdered on their way to the west through Utah. I have no doubt that this was a most horrible and uncalled for death for each of them. My heart aches for Mary Ann who learned of her husband's and her own Children/grandchildren's deaths. I was also amazed and yet ashamed that after nearly 150 years, my grandfather's family's descendants could not find it in their hearts to forgive the wrongs of others... to follow the Savior Jesus Christ's command to forgive. The world is far too full of hate and anger and those who were responsible for this heineous crime have already paid for their sins after their own deaths. This is my belief. I also believe that all involved (those in the wagon train and those responsible) in the massacre, now long since with their maker, were given the whole truth as to who was responsible and those responsible have paid and will pay for their sins. I pray that all within the eye of my words can move past this. May we give the burden and pain that may still lay hold to our hearts like a cancer, give it over to God the Father of us all and trust that he will judge all those responsible and no one else. Isn't it time that we mourn-remember and then forgive and go about our daily lives seeking joy, following the example of our Savior, caring for and lifting up others and making sure nothing like this ever happens again. Surely the Latter-day Saints have had to forgive the many hundreds of their own men, women and innocent children who were murdered by anti-mormon Christians in Illinois and Missouri earlier in the 1840's. Part of being a Christian is to put aside the Law of Moses (an eye for an eye) and live a higher law; one that requires personal forgiveness. I love my Grandpa Martin and I know I will love his Baker family members as well. Will Sincere hope for a bridge between all!
Elizabeth C. Beller was my grandmother. David & Melissa would be my great aunt and uncle. I didn't know about the Mountain Meadows Massacre until I found this site while searching for Beller information. How exciting to find all of this information!
Would like info on joining the Mountain Meadows Association?
I have decendents on my gread grandmothers side who maybe related to John Calvin Sorel-Mary Sorel. Their names are on the monument in arkansas but they are not listed on some of the sites . Anyone with any information on them please e-mail me. Janet Smith
I have decendents on my gread grandmothers side who maybe related to John Calvin Sorel-Mary Sorel. Their names are on the monument in arkansas but they are not listed on some of the sites . Anyone with any information on them please e-mail me. Janet Smith
I really enjoy learning both sides of this story and am full of sorrow each time I think of the many lives that were changed and lost because of this tragic time.
I just finished "American Massacre" yesterday. I've read quite a bit about Mormonism and it's history, but the MMM is such a low point as to be unbelievable! I'm a Christian and attend the Redeemer Pres. Church in Manhattan. I know we are sinners saved by Grace and should be forgiving. However, forgiveness is this case hinges on admission of sin. Is there something I ban do? How much of my tax-dollars go to BYU? I should contact Sanator Hillary, a former Arkansan, to do something to save the site and keep it out of LDS hands. I'll look further at your site and please let me know what a Christian, former Catholic, can do. God bless you all, Brendan Mahony
Great site! Thanks. A map indicating the location of the encampment and the massacre relative to extant locations would be helpful (if it's not already on the site some place).
I am the great great great grandaughter of Captan John T. Baker. I am glad that we have formed to be one group of surviving decendents of this tragic accurance. I thank you for doing this and hope that it will continue. Stephanie Passow
Shocking story, great website. Thanks for the info. Sure makes me stop and think...
thanks for a great site
1857 newspaper articles: http://www.lavazone2.com/dbroadhu/CA/misccal1.htm Los Angeles Star: October 3, 1857, October 10, 1857. http://www.lavazone2.com/dbroadhu/NW/miscnw02.htm The WEEKLY OREGONIAN: October 31, 1857.
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I began researching mormonism when i started dating a member. Not to far into my research I came upon information about the Mountain Meadows Massacre. It was unbelievable. I was utterly shocked by what I had learned. When I presented my new information to my boyfriend I was in disbelief when he told me he had never heard of it before, he really had no idea what i was talking about! Come to find out, none of my mormon friends had heard of it. That is just unbelievable to me. It seems such a big part of history, not only for the mormon church but for our country as well. It is sad that i had to seek out this kind of information insted of having it presented to me at some point in my education. I am working on my degree to become a highschool social studies/english teacher, I have every intention of working the story of Mountain meadows and it's signifigance into my lesson plan.
Whatever the Mormons say this tragedy has disfigured the face of the Mormon Church like a rash of warts!
Iam a descendant of both the Laffoons and the Wests in Missouri. John LaFoon West married Parmelia Fancher. The site is very informative. Thanks. Pauline Caldwell Baganoff
My relative in this cover-up/cluster**** is Major J.H. Carleton USA Roughing It by Mark Twain Appendix B. The Mountain Meadows Massacre "A great emigrant train from Missouri and Arkansas passed through Salt Lake City and a few disaffected Mormons joined it for the sake of the strong protection it afforded for their escape." Mark Twain (a news reporter from Virginia City, NV. in 1861) as well as modern historians have commented that several people joined the 'Wagon Train' to escape Mormondom. Were these people given special consideration, or were they murdered with the others?
Foensic evidence details how some of the victims were murdered 9/11/1857. "Unearthing Mountain Meadows Secrets: Backhoe at a S. Utah killing field rips open 142-year-old wound" by Christopher Smith ("The Salt Lake Tribune", March 14, 2000) http://www.cesnur.org/testi/morm_01.htm
A good read. Sarah B. Willeman: "The Mountain Meadows Massacre: A Crime and Mystery".(1998)
For more information concerning the murders that occured September 11, 1857, I suggest the following: (1) Mark Twain "ROUGHING IT" appendix B. (2) Juanita Brooks "THE MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE" (3) Will Bagley "BLOOD OF THE PROHETS: BRIGHAM YOUNG AND THE MASSACRE AT MOUNTAIN MEADOWS" (4) Sally Denton " AMERICAN MASSACRE: THE TRAGEDY AT MOUNTAIN MEADOWS, SEPTEMBER 11, 1857" (5) Jon Krakauer " UNDER THE BANNER OF HEAVEN: A STORY OF VIOLENT FAITH" (6)Brevet Major J. H. Carleton, U.S.A. May 25, 1859. 57th Congress (House of Representatives) Document no. 605. 1st Session. MOUNTAIN MEADOW MASSACRE. Congress of the United States, In the House of Representatives. May 10th, 1902. http://www.mtn-meadows-assoc.com/Carelton/maj.htm
Re: John Twitty Baker, ( captain Jack ), I'm also known as Jack
I am the great great great grandson of John Twitty Baker and great grandson of willialm twitty Baker, My Grand father George Richard Baker Was Williams son. I have an extensive family tree all the way back to William Baker Sr., anyone with information about Williams Parents or thiere places of birth please contact me at the above E-mail address.
Keep up the good work.
I am a U.S. History buff of southwest, regarding exploration, occupation, developement of these territories and I have read many books relating to the Mountain Meadows Massacre, and will continue to do so. I guess my objective is best described as; seeking the truth, as best I can. Sincerely yours, John C. O'Riley
I have always tried to understand what has occured so many years ago, Many people have different opinions and that is their right to do so. I lost 17 members of my family in this massacre. I don't know of anything I have resented more than the comment made by Carlos Gonzalez. He needs to read the books that have been written, history and the Army reports that were made. Also the statements made by the mormon men that were involved. Plus he needs to read the statements made by 3 little girls from my family about watching their fathers, mothers, sisters and brothers slaughtered. The men that washed the paint off their face and they were white men. One being recognized as a mormon. I've never written anything negative about this whole terrible thing but this time I just had to comment. Carlos Gonzalez, you don't know what you are talking about. Sorry, Judy Farris
This was a great loss. It should have never happened.
This story has been passed down from generation to generation with a few embelisments along the way I'm sure. My father remembers his grandfather George Twitty Baker (surviving child of the massacre) very well.
I see a lot of people here paying compliment to Sally Denton's book American Massacre. I can only assume it is the first and only thing they have read on the MMM. She gets even the most basic biographical information wrong. The book is very poorly researched.
Bones were unearthed recently, and bullet wounds found in them. Antagonists of the LDS faith were quick to claim that this "proves" that the murderers were Mormons rather than Indians. I have trouble believing that forensic analysis of a victim's skeleton can reveal with certainty the race of the murderer, his religious affiliation, his standing in his Church, whether he was authorized for the deed by his local or central religious leaders, etc. For those insisting in blaming Brigham Young and the LDS Church, this is another straw to grasp at, and just as the rest of the "documents" and conjectures, old and new, it cannot prove an involvement that never existed.
Educational. Awful. Shameful cover-up by the LDS church, but glad they did something. Better late than never.
I have just finished reading several books and articles about the massacre. I would like to know if anything is being done to take legal action to have forensic work done on the bones so that the truth can come out about this horrific event. Also, is there any interest in Hollywood about making a film about this terrible historical event so that all americans can become more aware of what happened.
Site is easy to use, unbiased in prersentation, and a worthy addition to western history.
Very nice site. Its good to see this story being told, sad as it is. Its a part of history.
This seems to be a very interesting site. I am looking forward to visiting it frequently.
The Mormon Church is not covering anything up. Those who truly believe it is, do not know the whole truth. It is best to leave judgement in the Lord's hands. This site is not here to keep old wound open, but to close thme and heal the hurt. It is here to help all people learn to forgive. Just because you allow a wound to close and heal, doesn't mean you're ignoring it or hiding it. The scar is still there, and you remember it silently. It is up to YOU to keep it to yourself and allow forgiveness to enter your life. To teach the children this part of history? Yes. To teach them hatred, judgement, anger? No. We need to grow up. We need to be more mature than we are. We need to realize that NO ONE HAS THE WHOLE TRUTH! From either side of the tragedy. We do know one thing for sure: of all the Church organizations in the world, the LDS Church is the only one that has FOREVER been open and honest about anything it's ever done. It they had truly been at the cause of this back in then, the leaders would say so at all cost. It does no good to keep re-hashing it. Let it go and move on. Enjoy the peace and calm that this association is trying to create here. Allow the true reason for the existence of this association to fill your being. Be part of it by learning to forgive "those that hate you" and persecute you and spitefully use you. If you do not, you are more sin-ladden than those whom you blame. Remember that when you point a finger at another person, there are three fingers pointing back at you. FORGIVE! If you do not, you are inviting more 9-11's into our future.
I posted earlier wondering if a foster son of my ancestors' (John Hendricks) might have been one of the children spared during the massacre. Apparently not. John Hendrick's family came across in 1850, his parents dying along the trail in Nebraska and Wyoming, probably of cholera. He left in 1861 when his sister married, and settled with her and a brother in Cache County, Utah. Many of my forebears lived in the Panguitch area, so knew those involved with the massacre. However, they themselves were not there at the time (Heywoods, DeLongs). I must say that I am relieved. The massacre was a horrible thing. The fact that my particular forebears were not involved directly does not change the facts of what happened.
I am a great-great grandson of John D. Lee, through my grandmother, Pearl Mortensen Driggs, and her mother, Cornelia Lee (Decker)Mortensen, who married Lars Mortensen.
Your site is wonderful. Thank you.
I have been to the monument several times and I am very interested in any information about my ancesters!
I attended the Mountain Meadows Assoc. meeting Sept 12, 2003 in St. George and really enjoyed the presentation.Then today I found your website and appreciate all the wealth of information available there. Thank you for your efforts to bring light and healing to this tragic event. I have only recently moved to the New Harmony area where John D. Lee lived and have always had questions about this event. Sincerely, Lin Floyd
My great-great grandmother was Tryphena Fancher, daughter (or niece?) of Alexander Fancher. Her son, Kit Carson Wilson, was named after Tryphena's brother, and he was the father of my grandfather, Clyde E. Wilson.
As today is the anniversary of two very tragic events in American history, I wanted to offer a prayer of remembrance and healing. I also wanted to say how much I appreciate this website. Last month I was able to visit the Mountain Meadows site and was very grateful for the experience. Thank you for all the valuable information.
147 years ago today was the massacre our thoyghts and prayers are with the familes of the victims today .
May I share my thoughts about the highest purpose of the Mountain Meadows Association. I attended the dedication of the first new monument up on the hill in Utah. Just before I arrived at the meadows I remember wondering why I had left my work to drive to Utah. That feeling changed the instant I stepped on the ground. The place fairly vibrated with energy. I saw a man about my age walking back from the monument and felt immediately drawn to him and anxious to meet him. I thought he must be a relative, but I learned that our ancestors had first met and parted at Mountain Meadows. I remember at the more informal meeting everyone seemed to think we needed to start an organization, but no one seemed really clear on what the mission of the organization should be. The Mormons, the Indians and the Arkansans who were there made contact with each other, and knew that doing so was important. President Hinckley, then a counselor in the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints remarked that we had witnessed a miracle and that we had “built a bridge across a chasm of bitterness” The main purpose of the Mountain Meadows Association is to maintain that bridge and keep it in good repair. Although there may be other purposes, they should not overshadow that main purpose. We don’t need an organization of historians to talk and write about the massacre. But we could certainly use their help in maintaining the bridge. We really don’t need a single organization to perpetuate the memory of the massacre or the victims. We can safely say neither the Arkansans nor the Mormons had forgotten the massacre before the association came into being, and it is not likely that they will soon forget if the association were to fade away. But the organization can help us have better memories of the massacre. When the association was formed it was the coming together of two very distinct groups, like the yin and the yang, the opposites interacted, each in their distinct way but within the same circle of love of God and respect for man. When the Navajo Indians weave a blanket or basket, they never close a circle because an evil spirit may be trapped inside. One need look no further than the pages of this guestbook to see that for some, an evil spirit of hatred still lives. For that reason, we should not try to bind the differing sides too closely. The organization needs to be an open circle of good will where the different spirits can come and go as needed and desired. It should not close any group out, and it should not close any one in. When God created the world, he separated the light from the darkness, and the waters from the dry land. But then he brought them together at dawn and dusk and along the seashore. The meaning is created where different things touch. We spell things out in black and white, not all black on one page, all white on the next, or page after page of gray. When the Mountain Meadows Association was formed it was very obvious that we stood on different continents, and we still do. But we built a bridge because it was a good thing and it was needed. I am sure the devil laughed at the Mountain Meadows --laughed at the dead and dying, and laughed at those who killed them, just as surely as he laughed when he got God’s chosen people to crucify the Son of their God. We are not enemies of each other. Satan is our real enemy. He will laugh until we, Christ-like, raise good up from evil. I would like to see the association dedicated to peacemaking, to crisis intervention, to using the mistakes of the past to prevent similar mistakes in the future. Could a Fancher and a Lee together persuade neighbors or even enemies to forgive and forget? This association should train and supply mediators. We are qualified by history to do so. I have heard uncounted sermons on forgiveness, but none so meaningful to me as when a Fancher spoke at a memorial service in Utah years ago. Let us build bridges not only for our own use, but for others as well.
In June 2004 the Western Writers of America will be holding its 51st annual convention in Mesquite, NV and one of our side trips will be to Mountain Meadows. We're looking for historians who can assist on this tour. Can folks in your membership give us a hand? Please respond to the email address and reference Mountain Meadows.... Thanks, Bob Wiseman, chairman
I am pleased to announce the birth of Capt. John Baker's Great Great Great grandson, Nicholas Wade on January 24, 2003. We are descendants of Pleasant Baker (age 7 at the time of the MMM).
I have been reading about this tragic event. I do not understand how it has been so overlooked in mainstream American history. It is a shocking story and one that should be told. The memory of those brave people must not be forgotten. The history of the West is often unsavory. I would have a great deal more respect for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints if they would admit the full extent of their role in this event.
I am not aware that any of my ancestors were directly involved in the events of 11 September 1857. However, I do know that at about that time my ancestor Jonathan Holmes heard that a young orphan boy (John Hendricks) was being taken in by Orson Pratt. Jonathan had always wanted a son, and went to Orson to see if the Holmes family couldn't take the boy in instead. Jonathan offered Orson a mule to sweeten the deal. John Hendricks lived with the Holmes family for 10 years until the orphaned boy was reunited with family and left Utah. I am wondering if the boy the Holmes girls remembered as their foster brother 'John Hendricks' might not have been one of the children spared during the Mountain Meadows massacre. The Holmes family lived in Farmington at the time - far away from Washington County. What did happen to the children who survived?
Thank you for the memorial, it is deeply appreciated.
May we all continue to heal, forgive, and grow in love for one another. Thank you. May we never forget, but continue to learn, understand, and forgive.
Thanks you for the site! My ancestors were the Tackett Family who lost their lives. More people should be aware of the story. I cannot believe how many people have never heard of this tragedy. I support your site and hopes others wil also help protect our ancestors graves.
I share your pain at the loss of your ancestors to a religious cult. The cold-blooded murder of innocent men, women and children by the mormons is a truly horrible event which should be more widely publicized. Knowing history prevents its repetition.
I first visited Mountain Meadows in 1977. I have returned many times to walk the grounds and try to understand what happened on both sides. There are always two sides to every story. This one in difficult because on one side we have a group of people who can't speak about what happened and another group of people who took a vow not to speak about what really happened.
Jesse and Lorenzo Dunlap were great-great uncles of mine. There were 21 persons on the train who were related to me, including the five Dunlaps who survived. We attended both of the dedication services in Utah and were deeply moved on both occasions. I hope that the monuments will be maintained and will be there for years to come. Visiting the Meadows was an experience that I will never forget.
I read Steven E. Farley's book "The Mormon Mountain Meadows Massacre" and I must say, without doubt this is one of the best books that I have ever read on this subject. This book is a must for the historian.
I am the daughter of the late FloBelle Fancher Whitmore who was born in Blue Eye, MO . My mother was the daughter of James Polk Fancher from Osage, Arkansas. I often heard my mother reference the tragic event of the M.M.M that took the lives of so many of her family's ancestors. A few years ago I visited Missouri and Arkansas and researched the Fancher family history at the genealogical library in the museum at Berryville, Arkansas. I live in California, but I am currently visiting my son and his wife in Brisbane, Australia. I will be returning home soon as I am a teacher.
I am very interested in western settlers history and will be visiting Mountain Meadows.
I have read several accounts of this event, and still feel horified at what happened. Please accept my deep compassion for what you have experienced.
Will be visiting the site of Mountain Meadows on 17 Aug 03. Read the story of American Massacre and Red Water and want to show my respects to the fallen pioneers.
IT TRULY IS TRAGEDY THAT BRINGS TEARS FOURTH IN READING THEE ACOUNT AS THOUGH IT WERE THAT VERY AFTERNOON 146 YEARS AGO,AND I DARE SAY THE MORMANS STILL HAVE THAT CURSE ON THEIR HEADS AS NOT TO ACKNOWLEGE THIS GRUSOME ACT TODAY AN PLEADED FORGIVENESS AS THOSE WEE CHILDREN BEG FOR THIER LIVE 146YEARS AGO!
My first look at your site. Will be looking in detail in future. My mother told me of the "Fancher Train" massacre. She was relating stories she heard or read. Our Fancher lines trace to Richard (a Revolutionary War officer). I'm living in E. Tennessee.
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Have just read Sally Denton "AMERICAN MASSACRE" and Jon Krakauer's "UNDER THE BANNER OF HEAVEN" new 2003 books. I can only hope that before the end of the next 100 years, the good people of United States will bring to the attention of the next generations, just what happened here. That the Church will one day pay the price for what they have done, in the name of their Church.
Nancy Wharton Dunlap and Mary Wharton Dunlap were my great great aunts. Nancy was married to Lorenzo Dow Dunlap and Mary was married to Jesse Dunlap Jr. Surviving children of Nancy and Lorenzo Dunlap were Prudence Angeline and Georgeann Dunlap. Surviving children of Mary and Jesse Dunlap were Rebecca Jane, Louisa (Loo-eye-za) and Sarah Elizabeth Dunlap. The reason I am writing this is because the genealogy of these families keep getting confused! The book "MOUNTAIN MEADOW WITNESS",by Anna Jean Backus, states that Louisa married into the Mormon faith. This is not true. Helen Faye Evins, a grandaughter of Rebecca Jane Dunlap, married Cecil Dewitt Marks Jr, who is said to have become a Bishop in the Mormon Church. In the book, "BLOOD OF THE PROPHETS", written by Will Bagley, states on page 63, Lorenzo Dow Dunlap was a son-in-law of William C. Mitchell, this is not true. William C. Mitchell was married to Nancy Dunlap, sister of Lorenzo and Jesse Jr., he was his brother-in-law. On page 209, Mr. Bagley got it right when he wrote, "I (Mitchell) must have satisfaction for the inhuman manner in which they have slain my children, together with my two brothers-in-law and seventeen of their children". In the book, "AMERICAN MASSACRE", by Sally Denton. She states on page 99 that Nancy's father was William C. Mitchell, this is not true. Father of Nancy Wharton Dunlap and Mary Wharton Dunlap was Joshua Bartlett Wharton and their mother was Elizabeth Ann Cook.On page 206 she states that, "He (Mitchell) embraced the task wholeheartedly, eager to see his grandchildren Prudence Angeline and Georgeann Dunlap. Indeed he did take them into his home but they were his nieces. Rebecca, Louisa and Sarah were taken by their uncle James Douglas Dunlap which is true. I am hoping someday that someone will get the things they write about straight... This has nothing to do with the books that have been written. They are wonderfully written and very helpful. I didn't know how else to get this message out to the public. I know this wonderful web site has many many readers and that it would at least be read by some people. God bless. Judy Farris Farrisland@aol.com
I am glad that this assoc is trying to keep the memory of the Fancher/Baker train alive.
This sight has been helpful in doing research on this topic for a history class research papaer. Will Bagley implicates two of my ancestors in the massacre, although there is no information that we, their desecendants have that would implicate them. If anyone has information on Harrison Pearce and James Pearce, his son, please share. Thanks.
I have just finished Steven e. Farley's book "The Mormon Mountain Meadows Massacre" an excellent book-NO cover-UP or WhiteWashing here! His book is as close to the truth as your going to get!
Very nice site. I have also read that William and Solomon Wood's sister Winnie was also there because she was married to Charles Stalcup. thanks
I have only recently learned of this massacre, for those on both sides I can only offer my true sympathies and wishes for a better future when man will no longer murder his fellow man
I have just finished reading Sally Denton's 2003 Book 'AMERICAN MASSACRE' and Jon Krakauer's 2003 Book 'UNDER THE BANNER OF HEAVEN'. I had heard of this crime, back in the 1950s. And how have found much from the computer and these Web sites. Jack Easterling (Non Mormon, from Northern California)
Two of the worst terrorist attacks on civilians in American history took place on September 11th; one in 1857 and the other in 2001. In both cases the terrorists gained the confidence of their civilian victims, and then, acting on directives from a higher authority, made an organized and premeditated move to slaughter innocent fathers, mothers, and children. I believe the Mountain Meadows Monument should be administered by the United States Parks Service or the United States Department of the Interior, not the LDS Church. Mountain Meadows should be maintained by our federal government as a sacred site for all Americans, honoring the memory of the salt-of-the-earth founders of our great republic; the brave pioneer families of the American West. Hollywood has lied to us all along. Those who circled the wagon trains, those who plotted againsted these brave pioneers, were not Native Americans, they were anti-American terrorist child-killers, acting on orders from a higher authority. Universities, even states, can be named after the worst of men, but, in the end, history will catch up with them. History just caught up with Brigham Young. Thank you, Miss Denton.
I first heard about the massacre today while watching the author of American Massacre talk. Being interested in our country's early history I had to learn more. The more I read the worse it gets. To imagine that human beings could do this to each other, especially in the name of religion is appaling. But then history has a way of repeating itself. May we never forget.
I've heard stories of the massacre for years in my family but never really knew the details. I visited Mountain Meadows this summer and I am greatful for this resource on the Internet. Thank You
I am a 69 year old retired Land Surveyor living in Lonoke County, Arkansas and history buff. I have read of the massacre over the years and ashamed that humans can do such horrible deeds and go unpunished over the years. My sister and I plan on visiting the site in early September of this year. Keep the memory alive.
Just read American Massacre copy wright 2003. I lived and grew up in Utah. My third cousin is Boyd K Packer a leading official of the Mormon Church. I am not a Mormon but was baptized at 8. I new of the "Mormon Meadows Massacre" but never new the details. Shocking to say the least! Brigham in my opinion should be exposed for his historic deeds, such as those that parallel the likes of Hitler and Hussein. I am a Landscape Architect and work for Washington State Parks in Seattle, WA area. I have 12 years of interpretitive planning and design experience. I have worked on historic interpretive site design all over ther western United States. If I could possibly assist with any interpretive site design, planning and layout please let me know. I would honor the opportuniy to assist at no cost to this assciation. Paul Pvalca2@aol.com
I am one of JK and Genevieve Fancher's two granddaughters. Terry and Kathleen Fancher are my parents. From an early age, my dad and my grandfather let me know about this sad part of our family history. My grandfather and his father (John Kenner Fancher)before him have spent countless time researching and helping to get the a monument erected (actually, there is a picture of my grandparents at the rededication on the reinterment page of this site). I have been to MMM site, which has changed since my visit. I encourage anyone who is interested in this event to visit the site. To know that someone you are related to has died in the location where you are now standing is a very overwhelming, undescribable feeling.
I am the Grandson of Chester Dial Fancher. Born- 25 October 1922 Died- 3 June 1978 My parents are Lonnie C. Scott and Linda L. Scott (Maiden name Fancher). They are now divorced.
I recently read the book - American Massacre by Sally Denton and was deeply moved by the story and outraged by the continuing cover-up by the Mormon Church. I plan to visit the site this summer (2003) on our family camping trip through Southern Utah.
I am a GGGrandson of Felix Marion Jones, son of John Milum Jones. Having recently started research of my mothers ancestry I discovered my tie to this incident. My thanks to those involved in the creation of such a wonderful memorial and companion web-site.
I wish I had gone thru some of the Guest Book before I entered comments a few minutes ago, I have found the information on Brians documentary I was looking for as well as a cousin(?)who is the G-Grandaughter of my Grandfather's sister.Boy am I glad I couldn't sleep earlier. Thanks again for this wonderful forum!!!Larry B.
As far as I know, I am the youngest Grand-son of William Twitty Baker, the youngest survivor(approx.15 months old)of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. My mother Ruby Beauchamp(Baker)was one of the children by W.T.'s first wife. I am trying to find out where I can get a copy of a documentry titled, Burying the Past(?)by Brian Patrick. This gentleman interviewed members of the Baker decendents at a Baker reunion in Arkansas and also took some video footage of the Reburial and Dedication at The Meadows. If anyone reading this has information on the subject I would appreciate an e-mail at the above address. Thanks, Larry B.
I read an article in the Los Angeles Times on the massacre. This has to be one of the darkest moments in American history.
My grandfather, Lynn Meade Laney, Sr., was born in Camp Floyd, Utah, in 1882. He would hardly speak about his Mormon heritage. All he would tell us was that his grandfather(William Leaney) left the church because he had helped feed some non-mormon pioneers who were passing through by covered wagon. Church elders found out about this, came to his home, and nearly beat him to death. He said that his family left the Utah for California by covered wagon due to the poor respirratory health of his grandfather. When I was at Mills College in Oakland in the 1970's, my father's elderly cousin, Howard Laney, showed me original letters dating back to the 1050-1860's, from Hiram Laney, nephew of William Leaney, which included comments regarding the massacre and Williams unfortuante treatment by the elders for his aid to the starving pioneers. I recently had some of this family history confirmed in Sally Denton's book, American Massacre. She detailed William Leaney's assistance to the 'Aiden' family of pioneers. It appears that my grandfather provided aid during the month prior to the massacre, but I do not know whether he participated in the massacre. I am just finishing the last half of Denton's book, and I must say that at times I have to put it down because I find it so upsetting.
I am preparing a paper on the MMM, and have gotten invaluable contacts and personal and family insights thru the MMA. It's great to end the sad story with something happy and hopeful - and MMA is that balm on the old and deep wounds. I would welcome more contacts, if anyone wants to write. Hank
I have always been interested in the history of the "Mormons" including the psychological structure of the organization. I have just finished Denton's book "American Massacre" and would hope that a more definitive conclusion can be drawn of those who committed the crime including those who might have been behind the crime.
On my mother,s side of the tree,Her grand mother's name was Matilda Fancher.
I posted before My Wife is related to the Miller Family and we are interested in finding out more about the 3 Miller childern. We are related to the Camerons by marriage. Pleasant Tacket was married to Armilda Miller (Related) We are interested in What happened to her 2 sons One died fairly young and is burried in MO, but we would like to find out more about the younger one. I agree that Bagleys bbok should be added to your site. I am now reading Sally Dentons American Massacre. I am interested in any Miller, Cameron or Tacket info We can get and we will share what we have. We visited the site before it was redone and want to go back again. Thanks
Brian Patrick's documentary "Burying the Past" is now available on VHS and DVD format through his new website: www.buryingthepast.com, for those who are interested.
I an the Great granddaughter of Prudence Dunlap. My father was given the Dunlap name as his middle name in 1921 as a gift from her son Sammie Organ Koen, that a part of her past and family name might remain. My father passed away in 1993 but not before he passed on the stories shared with him as a child from his grandmother. These stories will ever live in the memories of the 15 great grandchildren of Prudence Angeline Dunlap Koen. I too will pass these stories on to two of her great great grandchildren, Kylee Viers and Larryme Johnston.
I am very saddened by the attitude of the lDS Church and it inability to own up to the Truth about the slaughter of innocent people as ordered by Brigham Young. The political Power of the lDS Church has in my opinion hid the truth about Mountain Meadow, Pipe Springs . Provo and many other attrocities. Why the Mormon Church, church Of jesus christ and latter day saints, lds or whatver other name they are using has denied their attrocities is sinful.
I'd like to mention that I've noticed the dates for these postings have disappeared since May. It is helpful to know the dates as some of the postings, themselves, are of historical interest. Thanks, Bob
I'd like to second Mr. Higbee's recommendation and request that Will Bagley's book "Blood of the Prophets" be listed among the recommended BOOKS/VIDEOS on this website, as it is a thorough, up-to-date, and by far the best, study of the massacre yet written.
My family (Dunlap) was from Harrison, AR. and killed at the site. This is the maternal side of my fathers side. Chris Storment
Sarah Francis Baker is my great grandmother, my mother is her granddaughter on the Gladden side of the family. We may also be related to the Bellar's as family ancestry I know of goes back to a Bellar born in the 1600's. One of my aunt's has extensive geneology information. She also has a website on geocities about the MMM, which the address eludes me. We also have newspaper clippings on an editorial from Sarah Frances Baker concerning the MMM. My brother is going to scan them into his computer and email them to us. Whenever that happens I'll try to remember to note it on this site. May the Lord be our guide. Thanks for the site.
My Wife is related to the Millers, We are looking for info on the 3 Miller Childern That went back To Ark and lived with there Aunt. We are akso interested in any other Miller descendents. Thank you Shirley and Jennifer for your help.
I am very interested in trying to find out if any of my heritage was in the massacre. My family came from Arkansas. Last name is King. My husband's family is Mormon, and he's wondering if any of his heritage is in there also. Last name of Stewart came from the Mormon background...
I am a journalist in Salt Lake City preparing an article for a magazine and I am searching for descendents of the victims of the Mountain Meadows Massacre who can speak about how the tragedy has affected the families, and the repercussions of the event. Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to e-mail or call if you have relevant information or know of someone I can speak to. Jason Matthew Smith email@example.com 801-485-5100
You should have "Blood of the Prophets" on the book list. It is the most recent and accurate.
I just received info about the story of the oldest Miller boy. Here is what Will Bagley said. If anyone has more info about this I would love to get it!!! Cheryl The Miller story was fabricated in the 1930s in: Erskine, Gladys Shaw. Broncho Charlie: A Saga of the Saddle. New York: Thomas Y. Crowell Company, 1934. Story of Pony Express rider Billy Tate, who "got away." Broncho Charlie never got near the PX and Billy Tate is totally imaginary. The Mormons murdered everyone above age six, so why would they spare a 9 year old? Besides, no William Miller has been identified in the Fancher party. Will
I was sent info about the oldest Miller boy. Jeff Trimm said he didn't die, and stayed with the Mormons against his will. If Jeff would please e-mail me, I would love to hear more about this. I am decended from William and Martha Cameron who are also the parents of Matilda Cameron Miller. If anyone else has information about these families I would also love to hear from you also!!! Cheryl
I think that it is great that this site is being taken care of. We visited the site this spring and found it to be very humbling. I just feel so bad at what these people suffered.
thank you very much for the truth of mountain meadows, many (all) mormon elders here in northern ireland refuse to have any knowledge of the massacre, thank you for such an education may the true GOD truly bless you, david hollis northern ireland
Thank you for this web site. It does honor to those who lost their lives and to their families who live on.
I haven't been able to visit the site for some time due to having to give up my old 486, I said it was OLD!! My Soc-Sec Disability checks don't leave me enough to buy a new one so I'm trying to find another way. I truely love what has been done with the web-site since I last had access, it's absolutely beautiful!!! Well keep up the wonderful work and I hope to return soon and often from the library here in Mounds. Thanks and God bless...
I think that this is wonderful for the family members that are interested in their past. I had named my daughter Alexzandrea not realizing until years later that I had a great grandfather out there named Alexander. Thanks.
Thanks to all for what they have done. Bill
of Martha "Patsy" Magness Wood wife of Solomon R. Wood
Thank you for helping me trace my family history. This site has helped my mother, a Fancher, to trace her past. This site is great but i need to know if there is a map of the trains route so i can finish my research. Thanks to everyone for their hard work for my family.
I am pleased to know that our family's own 9-11 tragedy is finally getting some of the historical recognition it deserves. The Association is doing a good job in not letting the facts of this horrible massacre fade into oblivion.
Author-Steven E. Farley-will soon have a new book that will soon be released by (www.1stbooks.com) about the "Mormon Mountain Meadows Massacre." His book, is from the lost diary of Captain John I. Ginn who at the time was only 21 years of age. Ginn, in his diary go in to great detail about the massacre. This book throws new light on the tragedy of the "massacre", and details the fierce battles between "The Destroying Angels." And the "Gentiles," as all persons were called by Mormons who were not of their faith. (It is a thrilling tale, well worth the reading!)
Due to a small family reunion it was brought to my attention by a family member who a a professor in Utah who said that the mormon church is now digging up the bodies and brining them to the college as part of education. The thing that bothered me the most was one body was a 4 year old girl hit in the head with a blut object! Have you guys heard anything on this? Thank you for your time Jennifer
I am John Mount Higbee's great-great-great granddaughter. J.M. Higbee was 2nd in command to John D. Lee, and was a Major in the Iron County Militia.
I just became aware of the MMM over this past year thanks to my cousin. It intrigues me a great deal, especially since I married into a "mormon" family. I am interested in any pictures of the ancestors that anyone may have. I will be visiting some of the other sites mentioned and I will be responding to two of the guests - Frances Carner and Marsha McFarland - provided their email addresses are still good.
Family notes claim that a brother or uncle of my 2nd Great Grandmother was killed during the massacre. GG Grandmother's name was Sabina Jane Dunlap, dau. of Thomas Dunlap. She m. first John Roberts (TX) and then John S. Lower (IN/Penn). I am looking for names of her siblings and others related to her.
I heard about this from the "Real West" program on the A&E channel. I just couldn't believe that the Mormons were so freaked-out by their passing through, and to murder them. I'm so sorry for all of them and their descendants. Sincerely, Rowena Marten
My grandmother, Agnes Pearl Fancher Harris was a direct decendant of members of the Fancher train.
Thank you for keeping the site up... Am searching for post MMM info on GGGF Isaac C. Haight.. his whereabouts and life after Mtn. Mdws.. Also copy of Carolyn Parry's "I would to God" biography of Isaac Haight. Listed in So. Utah Univ. library but not downloadable.. thanks
John D.Lee & Agatha Ann (nee)Woolsey were my G G Grandparents. In 1948/49 I lived in Central Utah. I visited the site of GGGrandfather's execution many times. During my time there, an old man (about 91 yrs of age) lived in Central. He had been a 19 yr old guard at the time of the execution. His job was to guard against any rescue attempt by the Lee family. His name was Sy Bracken. I spoke with him a lot. He explained the entire history of the Mountain Meadows with me. Sy took James Alger, Walt Disney's production manager to the Meadows for the purpose of taking pictures. I have a picture of Sy Bracken that James Alger took. I am naturally interested in the massacre.
It is a disgrace that the Role of the 55 Mormon settlers who played an active part in the slaughter of innocent emigrants was intentionally whitewashed and continues to be downplayed and actively denied by the Mormon Church leaders. The fact is that Brigham Young ordered this horrendous Crime and His underlings carried it out in the name of God. Blasphemy!!!!!!.
Brian Patrick's documentary "Burying the Past" is a must-see for students and historians of the massacre. It's main focus is the building of the 1999 monument, the MMA, and the reconciliation between the Lee family and descendants of the massacre victims. There is also some history in that the viewpoints of Will Bagley and Gene Sessions are juxtaposed. The unearthing of emigrant remains during the building of the 1999 monument is also covered. My only criticism is that Mr. Patrick's re-enactment of the massacre does not do justice to the scale in which it occurred and may be misleading some viewers. Mr. Patrick has done wonders, however, with the meager budget he had to produce this film and did an outstanding job of documenting history in the making. Mr. Patrick expects videos to become available of this film, probably through his anticipated website he indicates will likely be called "Burying the Past." I was privileged to see the film's premier on it's opening night at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.
My step-mother is a grandaughter of the fancher child on the wagon train. She lives in Arkansas. If you need anymore information please contact me at this e-mail.
relatives were from Missouri
I just heard about the massacre last week for the first time when I read about it in Jack London's story "The Star Rover". I was hoping it was just something he made up, but I thought I'd check up on the web to see if it really happened...
A large religous cult has spent much time & money re-writing history but, as usual, Mark Twain has poisened their broth with the "Truth".
An interesting report by Mark Twain below. An unabridged chapter in "Roughing It".
My cousins Mary (Wharton) Dunlap & Nancy (Wharton) Dunlap (who married two Dunlap brothers) were killed in the massacre. Their husbands and 13 children and 2 brother-in-laws,the Mitchell brothers. This loss saddens me, but for the 5 cousins that survived, I mourn for the pain they endured, living with the memories. Thank you for this wonderful site.
I married Glenda Bolan whose Mother was Fava Mitchell,the daughter of Arthur P. Mitchell. His father was Mose Mitchell.
I AM LOOKING FOR IMFORMATION ON MY GRANDMOTHER, HER NAME WAS ROSA ANN MIDGET AT BIRTH...SHE WAS BORN SEPTEMBER 4, 1890 AND DIED JUNE 20, 1975. FROM WHAT I AM TOLD SHE WAS BORN IN OR AROUND ARKANSAS.....SHE WAS MARRIED TO ALONZO GRIFFITH AUGUST 24, 1906.....ANY IMFORMATION WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED....
My GGGrandfather, Benjamin Franklin Dunlap and his wife came out to Northern California (Siskiyou County) after the massacre in 1870 to join up with his sister who had married George Arbaugh. They came to California about 1850 and settled on a large ranch just north of Weed at Edgewood.
I've heard bits and pieces of the Massacre all my life, however, it was not until a few years ago, that I became aware of some of the historical work that has now come forth. Judge Logan was most helpful, as well as the book by Juanita Brooks.
You are all to be commended for your effort to reveil the truth in what happened at Mountain Meadows.
John and William Prewit were my great grandmothers brothers. John was 20 and William was 18. They signed on to the wagon train to fulfill their dream of finding gold in California. That dream was ended at Mountain meadow
I am preparing a paper on MMM which will be read before the Worcester Torch next fall. I have copies of Juanita Brooks' book, Will Bagley's, Doug McEuen's, and have read substantially from Josiah Gibbs, Maj. Carleton's report, and read Anna Backus' book. I've talked to several people by email and read the exmormoni website from Finland. But I still would like more input. Certainly a lot of the older writings were openly pro or anti-Mormon, but no doubt the truth lies somewhere in between. Anyone who would like to discuss this by email would be a welcome correspondent.
See Associated Press article by Michelle Beaver, dated 3-7-2003, at sltrib.com for article on finding the ore of the alleged John D. Lee letter,inscribed on lead, dates from the 19th century.
It appears that the 18th "mystery child," refered to in Juanita Brooks' book, has been identified through descendant Helene Rightenour in her November 18, 2001 posting. Child was Priscilla Klingensmith Urie, wife of John Urie. Priscilla was allegedly born 20 March 1855. Does anyone know which emigrant family she really belonged to? She would have been 2-3 at the time of the massacre.
Sorry for last 2 entries. Didn't see that 1st one took. Source for Stalcup marriage was Roger Logan's "Mountain Heritage" 1969, p. 26. I see on other website that Charles Stalcup had a wife Winnie. Some confusion here. I would like to hear from other Prewit descendants. Thanks, Bob
I descend from John & William Prewit's sister Barbara. I wrote Roger Logan back in 1989 that Lawson McEntire, age 21, was married to Winnie Stalcup. I see that Winnie Stalcup is not included in the list of emigrants. Has it been proven that she did not go with the caravan?
Thank you for putting this important piece of history on the web. The two Dunlap men killed in this massacre were brothers to my g-grandfather. Having this information in such detail has helped make our family history much more interesting.
Hi- I am a "Mormon" from utah with Mormon pioneer ancestry, I am so sorry for your losses to the descendants of this horrific event. But I am also very upset with the aligations towards our leader of our church. President Hinckley is a very kind, gentle peaceful person who loves everyone. I know he would never do anything to offend any of you that feel our religion is in the wrong . Yes my ancestors or others may have had something to do with this massacre but I believe that our Heavenly father "GOD" will not punish on judgement day those with pure hearts and clean hands only those who have committed things in this earthly life that are not pleasing unto him and it is his judgement not ours. So please do not judge the Mormon church or there people by what someone or alot of someones did over 150 years ago. We all carry the same belief in Christ and to be Christ-like we have to forgive and love all people unconditionally.
Nice site. Is this a Mormon run site? If it isn't why isn't there a link or comment on the embarrassing revelations on Juanita Brooks covering up for Brigham Young's involvement in Mountain Meadow? I understand the need to try to get along with the descendants of the murderers but whitewashing history in the quest to get along is ridiculous.
I AM THE GGG GRANDAUGHTER AND I WOULD LIKE FOR SOMEONE TO TALK WITH ME ABOUT THIS,MY MOTHER FOUND OUR FAMILY TREE AND THERE WE ARE . MY MOTHER HAS ALLWAYS SAID HER GRANDMOTHER NEVER TALKED ABOUT HER FAMILY ONLY ABOUT THE SENITOR OF ARKANSAS WHO TOOK PITTY ON HER AND TOOK HER IN BECAUSE OF THE HORRIOR SHE MUST HAVE SEEN AS A SMALL CHILD HIDING UNDER THE WAGON AND WATCHING HER FAMILY BE TAKEN LIKE THEY WERE. THANK YOU FOR THIS SITE.SINCERELY JODYANN
I guess this story was a hoax?
We visited the Mountain Meadows Site for the second time and we must say there has been a tremendous improvement. Those of you who are responisble for the improvements to the stone cairn deserve our gratitude. This is an inspiring site. On each visit we felt the presence of our Arkansas family who gave their lives so many years ago in pursuit of their dreams. We pray this memorial site will forever stand just as our love for those who gave their lives here will never die.
I am a decendant of LDS families who lived in the Mountain Meadows area during the time of the tragedy. My grandfather's grandfather lived at Sata Clara Fort near Jacob Hamblin (a cousin). I have read journals written by them and there never was a mention of Mountain Meadows. I just wonder how never a mention could have not been made for such a huge tragic event. Your website is wonderful. We must learn from our history to insure these tragic events never occur again.
I have seen no mention of it on your website, but there is an excellent new book on the 'Mountain Meadows Massacre' entitled,
"Blood of the Prophets; Brigham Young and the Massacre at Mountain Meadows"
by Will Bagley, University of Oklahoma Press (2002)
Thanks for good work.
Greetings. On a roadtrip from Houston to Vegas we drove out of the ways a bit to the Massacre Memorial over this past weekend. A close friend, Gerald A. Aden (Magnolia, Tx.), related to WILLIAM ALLEN ADEN thru Tennessee kin, took us up there and explained a bit of the history of this ordeal.
Mr. Aden has passed a book on to me to read called the Mountain Meadow Massacre, by Juanita Brooks.
I have yet to read it, but from what I have learned so far I must say that I am sickened to learn of yet another atrocity that lay at the doorstep of a church, or a religion. Even more sickening is the cover up by the LDS.
Wes Dodson Magnolia, Texas
Very interesting site, I have heard of the MMM but never read the whole story. After looking over the list of those killed there, it will be interesting to see if I am related to James Williamson.
I was greatly touched by the report and the site in general. Thankyou for helping us all remember the feats of our ancestors who searched out West for their dreams, and the sacrifices made.
My wife is a direct descendant of John Fancher M Eunice Bouton, John Fancher M Hannah Weed, Chauncey Fancher M Belinda Watson, Martin Fancher M Emma J. Allis, Amy M. Fancher (Bloss) M Charles Harrison Welch, Jr., and Lillian Elizabeth (Betty) Welch M Max L. Vickery. Where can I get a list of ALL the massacre victims?
I really appreciate this site and thank you for your awesome efforts. I am a Latter-day Saint and can say that members of our faith do know of the MMM and our hearts ache for those who were victims. Those who express hatred toward the LDS church and/or its members are no different whatsoever from John D. Lee who perpetrated this evil deed. Have you ever seen Star Wars? Remember Yoda? I love his saying (condensed): "Hate leads to the dark side." How true. Please watch the hatred within yourself. The truth of the MMM is known to God. That's what matters. For us it is but to forgive. Forgiveness = wrap up the hurt/anger/questions in a bundle, hand it to the Savior and TRUST that HE will take care of justice AND mercy, then move on. I do not hate you, nor am angry with you who have expressed such hatred towards me as a member of the LDS church. Please reconsider your hatred and perhaps if we try hard enough, we can use the MMM memory as a stepping stone rather than a stumbling block on our path to healing. Thanks to those who worked so hard to put this site together. It is history to be remembered, taught and learned from.
very interesting forum, enjoy it and like surfing through all aspects of it, keep up the good work
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK....
I have been searching for a list of the Fancher party that left Arkansas. A relative John Page was in the party but left the train and went to Northern California. I have wondered if there is a record of what families if any left with the Pages. I saw an inquiry a few weeks back that stated there were two families that left the wagon train but have not found this information anywhere else.
Im still wondering how I am related But on the other hand Thank you for the site.and thank you for the awareness of much needed peace!!!!
To those that blame the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints for this heinous crime: the actions of the individuals involved could not be farther removed from the Church's teachings and practices. Whomever ammong the murderers were members of the Church certainly don't represent the Church any more than the murderers at Haun's Mill represent their own faiths. The ones and the others have gone to meet their Creator and receive what they deserve. Their actions occurred so long ago, and many accounts are so obviously false and biased, that it is not possible to find reliable evidence of what really happenned, who did it and why, despite all that has been said and written. Agitating this issue won't benefit the victims, yet some individuals today would readily profit from it if they could.
I agree with the letter-writer that wrote "the LDS church therefore has the power to prevent the fact of its role in the slaughter from being placed on the monument". Writing this from Sweden, and located your site thru a search engine, I was amazed to see that the smart guys in the LDS had taken control, propaganda control, even when it comes to the massacre. Who gives a damn about the massacre (in the LDS), its all about politics and about reducing its negative effects on Mormonism. The non-Mormons are so into the forgiveness and Jesus-myth that they dont get it, it seems. But my best wishes to all honest people, on both sides.
Matilda Fancher Myers, niece of Captain Alexander Fancher was my mother's (Mary Weakley Alexander)mother's (Cloie Mable Myers Weakley) mother. My grandmother, Cloie, told me about the wagon train massacre as a child (in the 1950s), however, it was only in the past few years that it all came to light for me through my cousins' research and this web site. Thank you for this gift of knowledge.
my name is thomas fancher sale. my grandmother always called me thomas hampton fancher sale. it sends chills up my spine to see victims of this tragedy with "my" name. it's really awe inspiring to see such direct evidence of our ancestors and so important to keep the history alive. thanks to all who made this website possible. tom fancher sale